FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister   ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 
Doctor Who (warning: possible spoilers)

 
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    LostCarPark.com Forum Index -> Sci-Fi/Fantasy TV
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
lostcarpark



Joined: 08 Sep 2003
Posts: 59
Location: Drogheda, Ireland
Display Name: James Shields
PostPosted: Tue 21-Jun-2005 12:07 am    Post subject: Doctor Who (warning: possible spoilers) Reply with quote

I watched the last episode of the new Doctor Who series with Jack and Angie last night.

I have to say it was the perfect end to a perfect season. The ultimate showdown between good and evil. The final end to the Time War (rematch). Captain Jack gets to show what he's made of. Mickey and Roses's Mum get to come good. The Doctor gets to kick some shiny metal Dalek butt, and show when it comes down to it he can't bring himself to take down the human race, even to save the rest of the universe. And Rose saves the day, and makes the epiode and the series her own.

This series has really been about Rose at least as much, if not more so, than the Doctor. She has held the series together, and never been afraid to disagree with the Doctor. She may have felt out of place at times, but her heart was always in the right place. She is a complete departure from previous assistants, where we were often left wondering why the Doctor bothered hanging around with such tossers. At times the only reason for them to be there was to get into trouble and have to be rescued. At times they did save the day, but it was always the Doctor calling the shots. Rose is different. In many cases she's in the driving seat, with the Doctor tagging along behind. Other times she's out of her league, but she's never waiting around for the Doctor to rescue her. In the finale she trnscends the Doctor in many ways, rescuing the Doctor and putting things right when he's defeated.

I agree with some of the criticisms of the series, particularly that for the entire season they never get further than Earth orbit, but as a whole I think it a lot more right than wrong. There is mention of other worlds, but I think for at least one episode we should have got to see one. Having said that, the show is primarily about the Doctor's relationship with humans, so most of the episodes enevitably end up being about Earth. But for the next series he really needs to get as far away from Earth as possible for a while.

One of the earliest criticisms was the lack of a regeneration in the first episode. I think this was the right approach, as you'd have a lot of Time Lord history and detail to introduce to a whole generation of new viewers, and you wouldn't really add anything for old fans, since we have no emotional attachment to a doctor who only appeared in one fairly rubbish TV movie. Introducing the regeneration at the end of the season, when we've picked up enough snippits of Time Lord history to not be totally thrown by it makes much more sense. I did like the subtle reference in the first episode, when he looked in the mirror in Rose's house.

There was som criticism that not many of the old baddies got a look-in. I don't feel strongly either way on this one. I think there would be a danger that the show could just become a vehicle for rolling out one old villain after the next. The Daleks appear in three episodes, and of course there was a reference to the Cybermen. For me, this was enough. If you look back, most seasons only had one or two stories about an established enemy, with plenty of one-off enemies making appearances, and personally I hate shows where it's always the same villain behind everything.

I really liked the Bad Wolf theme, and I thought it was really clever that Rose was the Bad Wolf not the Doctor, or the Daleks or some other bad guy. Thinking about it, it should have been obvious, as the series was always as much about Rose as the Doctor. I'm surprised to say that I think Billie Piper did a first class job, and was an ideal match for Chriss Eccleston. and really became the focus of the series. It's an interesting departure for Dr Who, and one which has to be welcomed - some of the assistants in the past really left you wondering why they were there at all.

I think we have to treat it as the first series of a new show. The past is important, but it has to facilitate it moving forwards, not constrain it like a straightjacket. I think Russel Davies has struck a good balance between respecting the past and gently bringing new fans in.

And Jack, at age five, loves it, which has to be a good sign.


Last edited by lostcarpark on Wed 22-Jun-2005 8:09 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Frank J Darcy



Joined: 22 Apr 2004
Posts: 96
Location: Crumlin, Dublin
PostPosted: Tue 21-Jun-2005 10:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hav to agree, this was a success and the Dr was one of the best (if short lived) - new guy has a lot to live up.
This Dr was more 'human' than others, but I really loved the cheeky sense of humour.
Rose was very good as well, a please change from the women who scream a lot, fall over when being chased and need to be rescued. Don't forget in episode 1 she saved the Dr.
Saturday nights will be a bit quiet now.
How long till the Christmas special
(BTW - have watched this since - lets just say several doctors agao - and I never had to hide behind the sofa - did anyone?)
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
lostcarpark



Joined: 08 Sep 2003
Posts: 59
Location: Drogheda, Ireland
Display Name: James Shields
PostPosted: Wed 22-Jun-2005 9:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, he was a very likable doctor. A lot like Peter Davidson, I thought.

I think Russel Davies has been very clever about it all. I think hiring Eccleston for one year got him a big name without too much committment. There was some criticism of him announcing he was leaving after one episode, but I think this was the plan all along. The end of the first season was a good place to introduce the regeneration. It gave a fantastic end to the season, with the Doctor making the supreme sacrifice, and introduced new fans to the idea of the regeneration. Other things like the "leaking" of the first episode, I think, were equally deliberate. And there's a whole web of Dr Who conspiracy sites, that very cleverly feed into the back story.

It would have been really clever if a picture of the Doctor from WW2 could have been included in the first episode - and then to see the actual events later in the series.

I have to admit that when I was about 8, I did find the Daleks very scary (we lived down the country before that, so we didn't have BBC).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
Chip Livingstone


Moderator
Joined: 23 Apr 2004
Posts: 168
Location: Marino
PostPosted: Sat 25-Jun-2005 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I agree wholeheartly with that review, it was a wonderful season.
CE's Doctor was perfect. RTD got a great bunch of writers together and he laid out an excellent season arc.
Looking forward to both Xmas and the box set and the 2nd season and the new Doctor, I saw him in a ep of RTD's other show Casanova and he was very good in that role.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Chip Livingstone


Moderator
Joined: 23 Apr 2004
Posts: 168
Location: Marino
PostPosted: Sat 25-Jun-2005 1:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

To answer Franks question. No, I never hid behind the sofa. Nor did anyone else I know. Another urban myth smashed.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fowl133



Joined: 28 Oct 2005
Posts: 4
PostPosted: Fri 28-Oct-2005 7:30 am    Post subject: wrong Reply with quote

Quote:
To answer Franks question. No, I never hid behind the sofa. Nor did anyone else I know. Another urban myth smashed.


Do you not think you were wrong?:X:X

_________________
online casinos virtual gambling
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail Visit poster's website
James Brophy



Joined: 22 Apr 2004
Posts: 64
Location: Dublin
PostPosted: Fri 28-Oct-2005 1:07 pm    Post subject: Great stuff! Reply with quote

I really enjoed it.

Dident think much of the way bad wolf came out. I thought it was very much a damp squib. I had all these diffrent ideas of what it could be, the online bad wolf stuff surrounding the show was excelent and the ending diden't live up to the build up for me. But over all it's the best ambasador for british sci-fi there is since...

Erm..

Well since Gerry Anderson stopped making Captain Scarlet I suppose. (Yay! The new Scarlet rocks BTW!)

I never got into Who before. The first full Who episode I ever watched watched was the Paul McGann tv movie. (ducks behind sofa to hide from screaming whoovians)

Russle T Davies once again demonstrates his ass kicking writing ability. (Have you all seen Queer as Folk? good see it, and the second coming if you can find a copy)

Lovely design touches from premier artist Brian Hitch (Authority and Ultimates)

I did feel sorry for Joe Ahearne (creator of the uk's best sci-fi show, Ultraviolet) He was directing other peoples scripts and he also seemed to get alot of effects heavy episodes, witch isin't really his strong suit. For instance the epidode with the dalek.

I'm really looking forward to the christmass special as the new doctor (tennant) is the first guy they cast for the roll, but BBC wanted a bigger star for the launch so they got Eckelston for the first season.

_________________
James
Brophy
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Conair


Moderator
Joined: 22 Jun 2005
Posts: 50
Location: Southside
PostPosted: Tue 13-Dec-2005 8:08 pm    Post subject: New season Reply with quote

See this link.

Loads of stuff about the new Dr. Who (David Tennant) and teasers for the new series which starts Christmas Day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Scarlatto



Joined: 25 Dec 2005
Posts: 4
PostPosted: Sun 08-Jan-2006 1:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well yea i agree who saw crimbo invasion or just me.....

i never hid b hind da sofa :D :D :twisted:
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
This forum is locked: you cannot post, reply to, or edit topics.   This topic is locked: you cannot edit posts or make replies.    LostCarPark.com Forum Index -> Sci-Fi/Fantasy TV All times are GMT
Page 1 of 1

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
You can attach files in this forum
You can download files in this forum

Comments posted here are the views of the individual posters and may not represent those of LostCarPark. While LostCarPark can accept no responsibility for content in this section, we will make every effort to deal with complaints fairly and promptly once informed.


Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group